Curse

jazilla · Oct 12, 2010, 04:10 PM // 16:10

I have a problem with this system when it allows a player to "buy" their PvP rewards for GW2. I have R3 Gladiator and the Rank 3 Gamer title. I am also R6 Zaishen. My Gladiator Title counts as me getting 2 points for the HoM reward but so does my Zaishen Title. The funny part: I earned Rank 3 Zaishen by 600/Smiting The Sepulchre of Dragrimmar and charging people 10k per run. I didn't earn my other zkeys through PvP methods until I started seriously doing RA a few months ago. You see the disconnect?

If people don't like PvP they shouldn't be able to earn PvP reward points for GW2 unless they do some organized PvP. Period. That would be like PvP players being able to buy Eternal Vanquisher of Tyria without ever having stepped foot on the continent.

I know there is another thread for the Gamer Title so I won't go into that but I find that NOT being a PvP title really lame.

My suggestion: Remove the Zaishen Title as a PvP title. It's not like changes can't be made. ArenaNet just lowered the requirement for the HoM HA reward from R8 to R6 with a patch. I personally think that the Z-Title needs to be "patched" off of the PvP title list. It's only fair to those of us that actually spent hours upon hours earning our PvP titles.

Morphy · Oct 12, 2010, 04:35 PM // 16:35

/signed

The Zaishen title should have been based on the total amount of Balthazar faction you've accumulated from the start, but as it is not, it should be treated as the PvE title it is.

Shadar · Oct 12, 2010, 04:39 PM // 16:39

/signed

but I don't think any further changes will be done in the HoM calc. It's a one-and-done deal with a casual approach to rewards (30/50 is easy) designed to make everyone happy (and sell more GW2)

mathiastemplar · Oct 12, 2010, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Way too easy to achieve 50/50 for pve'ers..... Although I don't really care about others, I think it would be fair enough.

Milennin · Oct 12, 2010, 05:05 PM // 17:05

What's so bad about a buyable title? Almost every title ingame is buyable anyway. Might be a better idea to just make those Zaishen Keys untradable...

domaspiragas · Oct 12, 2010, 05:08 PM // 17:08

/signed
I would give mine up right now if I could. (Though I earned all of mine, and didn't buy any.)

What they should have done, is made zkeys customized to an account. But way too late for that.

Edit: Looks like Milennin beat me to it.

jazilla · Oct 12, 2010, 05:12 PM // 17:12

It just lessens the reward feeling of what are the hardest titles IMO to get: The PvP titles.

X Ghoul · Oct 12, 2010, 05:51 PM // 17:51

If they do revert it (which they won't) there would probably be 90% qq pve'rs vs 10% of the population that's actually in favor of the option and saying almost every title is buyable is a bunch of bs there is only like 9 (including zaishen) out of a possible 30 something, so 30% vs 70% is not alot to even merit it an argument

BlackSephir · Oct 12, 2010, 05:53 PM // 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milennin

What's so bad about a buyable title? Almost every title ingame is buyable anyway.

Heart of the problem.

Dre · Oct 12, 2010, 05:59 PM // 17:59

as if you can't buy a GvG title >.>

1. join highrank gvg guild
2. let them take you along during gvg in exchange for $$
3. ??????
4. same RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing effect as Z-Keys!!!!!!! (i.e buying the title)

Milennin · Oct 12, 2010, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Heart of the problem.

Not saying that buyable titles are a good thing... but what makes the Zaishen title so much more special than all the other buyable titles out there....?

Lortext · Oct 12, 2010, 06:15 PM // 18:15

Removing Zaishen as a pvp title will probably result in more people trying to grind out pvp titles via syncs or match fixing.

Wyndy · Oct 12, 2010, 06:16 PM // 18:16

All the keys I have gotten have been from Fort Aspenwood. Granted, it's not high end pvp but it IS pvp. The zaishen title isn't completely broken.

jazilla · Oct 12, 2010, 07:15 PM // 19:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milennin

Not saying that buyable titles are a good thing... but what makes the Zaishen title so much more special than all the other buyable titles out there....?

Because the zkey title counts as the PvP title for HoM rewards transfer to GW2. The other buyable titles are for PvE.

Xsiriss · Oct 12, 2010, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Seeing as I'm nearly at r3 myself I'd rather see the title simply changed to total balthazar faction amounted, especially seeing as I've gotten every key (including a fair few before the title was introduced) the hard way. At least that way it would earn its place amongst the pvp titles without people feeling too hard done by.

Milennin · Oct 12, 2010, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazilla

Because the zkey title counts as the PvP title for HoM rewards transfer to GW2. The other buyable titles are for PvE.

So... you want to force people who don't have a PvP rank or aren't willing to leave their current guild to sync with friends in Random Arenas to grind Gladiator points? Also, why should PvE allow buyable skills, and PvP not? What makes PvP so much better than PvE?
Oh, and before you ask. I do PvP for my Zaishen Keys, and I find it more fun than to rely on a bunch of luck finding a half decent team that can score 5 consecutive wins in Random Arenas and one that doesn't face sync'd teams.

Necro Quink · Oct 12, 2010, 07:51 PM // 19:51

Maybe you want to think things through instead of writing a post and start whining about it! Zaishen has been introduced into PvP and zkey's can only be bought/obtained with balthazar factions/reward points (monthly predictions) which you can only get by doing PvP!

Skyy High · Oct 12, 2010, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Fame farming says "hai". If the Zaishen title wasn't buy-able, that would not stop non-PvPers from getting those 3 points. Considering how borked PvP rewards are in GW1 anyway, we should be taking it as a good thing that PvP rewards in GW2 are starting from scratch. Maybe they'll be meaningful this time.

@Necro: The point. You've missed it.

Lanier · Oct 12, 2010, 08:00 PM // 20:00

My opinion is that there should be an option for people, who dont PvP for one reason for another (elitism, rank discrimination, etc.), to get those points. The zaishen title gives them that option. I would be fine with making it so that the zaishen title doesn't count as long as another title (like luxon or kurzick) can be used instead.

On the topic of the luxon and kurzick titles, it is insane how low it can be to be displayable in the HoM. It really should be higher r8-10ish, as these points are pretty easy to get and there are so many pve and pvp options available for obtaining them. From urgoz/deep to vanquishes to challenge missions to AB to FA to JQ to random quests... it isn't tough to get these points. I was exceptionally surprised when, as a person who has been in luxon guild all my GW life, I was able to display a kurzick statue as well. It turns out, just from doing random urgoz runs, quests and vanquishes and turning in those few points for amber chunks, I was able to obtain a high enough kurz rank for the statue.

snowman relic · Oct 12, 2010, 08:15 PM // 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazilla

It just lessens the reward feeling of what are the hardest titles IMO to get: The PvP titles.

Yes pretty much why zaishen is considered a pvp title in terms of HoM im a rank 3 gladiator too but from expericence i know you cant get that in a week and without a pvp title you cant fill your HoM you want to complain dont put your ztitle in your HoM otherwise stop talking pve'rs dont deserve any disadvantage because they prefer one form over another. Yes pvp'rs have a disadvantage but they chose it and it was coded going back now would bring pve'rs to QQ